On Thursday’s show, Buck invited New York Post columnist Michael Goodwin to talk more about a piece Goodwin wrote arguing that James Comey took his FBI lessons from J. Edgar Hoover.
“Tell us more about these Hoover lessons Mr. Comey apparently learned,” Buck began.
“I think it starts by recalling that Hoover served under six presidents, and that five of them wanted to fire him, but were afraid to,” said Goodwin. “Hoover was running a police state, blackmailing, intimidating. When you look at Comey, the power he was accumulating before he got fired made him act as though he was too big to fire.”
“That memo sealed the deal,” Goodwin said. “It’s very much like an insurance policy. If it was such a terrible thing, why didn’t Comey come out with it at the time?”
Buck played a clip of Comey, under oath, denying that anyone had told him to halt an FBI investigation. “Not in my experience,” said Comey. “It would be a big deal. It’s not happening in my experience.”
“What’s all the hubbub about then?” asked Buck.
“People forget about that, don’t they?” said Goodwin. “That’s why I supported Trump figuring him. Comey was going to do what he was going to do. He was self-righteous, sanctimonious, and that’s how he approached investigations.”
Goodwin recommended Buck’s listeners read the memo from Rod Rosenstein describing the reasons why Comey must be fired.
“He’s describing, without using the word, a rogue director of the FBI who does things without regard of the pecking order,” said Goodwin. “That’s the very definition of J. Edgar Hoover.”
Buck asked about Goodwin’s opinion on the story that the Trump administration knew about Michael Flynn’s being investigated for his ties to a Turkish company when he was appointed.
“Anybody can be under investigation,” said Goodwin. “It’s not necessarily why you throw someone under the bus. But there were other red flags with Flynn. He was not regarded as a good manager.”
Goodwin defended the decision to fire Comey.
“There was no good time to fire Comey,” said Goodwin. “Rod Rosenstein was confirmed two weeks earlier. Sessions was confirmed very late. Trump did it as soon as he reasonably could.”
Buck asked about a Reuters piece accusing the Trump campaign of at least 18 undisclosed contacts with Russians. “How did they get this information?” asked Buck.
“Uh, leaks,” said Goodwin. “I think Comey was a leaker. I think that’s one of the reasons he was reluctant to do a leak investigation. He was part of the Washington establishment. I think Comey used leaks to his advantage. I don’t know that he leaked classified material, but I don’t for a moment doubt that he was part of the Washington game.”
Buck asked where Goodwin thought the special counsel investigation would lead.
“I hope all of Comey’s memos will be part of it,” said Goodwin. “The media has made Comey the hero of this; he could well be the villian.”
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